Oppo-pinion time!

"Connqr" (connqr) 04/14/2016 at 23:10 • Filed to: Question time!

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Welcome friends, lurkers and trolls (looking at you Jdrenarol). Today I have a simple question for you. What car had the biggest difference between 2 and 4 door versions of the same years? It can be a large mechanical difference, or simply a very different body (like my example). The best model I can think of is the AMC Matador. In particular the model years 1974-1978, or the second generation. The initial 1st gen cars had very similar coupes and sedans, but the 2nd generation, starting in ‘74, made the 2 and 4 door versions seem like completely different cars. The coupe was sleek and beautiful, while the sedan, at least in my opinion, was ugly and had the strangest from facia I think I have ever seen. Pics shown are Coupe from and back, than sedan front and back.

My citroen won't start > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:13

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Genesis Coupe/ Genesis Sedan

Steve in Manhattan > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:15

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I think you nailed it right there .... The Pacer Wagon was ... 4 doors? Maybe not. But the Matador deserves first place.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:23

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In 1978 you could have this Aspen:

Or you could have this Aspen:

Connqr > My citroen won't start 04/14/2016 at 23:25

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A modern equivalent to the matador, although I am not sure if it can count as I think it’s kind of a sub brand of Hyundai. Still a good entry though

TheJWT > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:29

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Connqr > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 04/14/2016 at 23:29

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A good one, although you can still see the resemblance in the front. They are like twins that grew up to be completely different. One is a boring accountant (green one) and one is a heavy metal singer (badass black one). They are different, but at the end of the day, they still have a resemblance.

Eggplant > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:30

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83-87 Toyota Corolla

Birddog > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:33

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Wasn’t Corolla offered in RWD and FWD for a year or two?

On the AMC side I can’t think of anything they could have done more wrong than Matador. They signed their own death certificate. The coupe was ok but quirky can only get you so far. And that nose on the sedan?

Connqr > TheJWT 04/14/2016 at 23:34

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Liveries and non sketchyness don’t count. The cars appear to share panels from the windshield forward. There are no shared panels on the Matadors. If I hadn’t have said anything and just had you name both of the cars, I doubt you would have a clue that they are the same model. I know I wouldn’t. EDIT: Wait, was one RWD and one FWD? if so, good job. If not, you need to try a bit harder ;)

Connqr > Birddog 04/14/2016 at 23:37

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Ugh, I know. That nose is really strange. It looks pre crashed almost. Like they tried to fit through a very small space.

TheJWT > Connqr 04/14/2016 at 23:57

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There’s a reason why one was in Initial D, and the other is often found rotting in a Walmart parking lot...

Dusty Ventures > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 00:05

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It being a sub-brand is a new thing, but the Genesis sedan and coupe existing simultaneously while being completely different has been going on for years.

fhrblig > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 00:19

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And yet, I love them both. Even the sedan with its weird snout.

Actually, I love all three of them. You forgot the wagon.

Eggplant > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 00:40

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Not a single panel swaps over. People have tried. Shared components include: Nuts and bolts, electrical connectors, and the radio. Completely dissimilar chassis structures.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 00:41

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Like, any truck ever?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 02:01

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These cars have same chassis. I know the Civic name was dropped off the Del Sol in 95, but from 92-94 this was a Civic, as well as a sedan, a regular coupe, and a hatchback.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 03:52

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Fiesta hatch vs fiesta sedan. holy shit.

That's gonna leave a mark! > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 05:58

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Not sure what what we were talking about. As soon as I scrolled down to your AMC pictures my eyes started stinging and watering and my nose running. I had to run to the faucet to wash them out. Good thing I’m at work and have an eye wash sink for emergencies like acid spills. I’m back now. What was your question again?

jimz > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 06:37

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1974 was the second year of the NHTSA “5 mph bumper” regulations, and that year added the rule that the bumper had to endure a corner strike without the lights being damaged. Designers were doing whatever they could to comply without resorting to just a big flat battering ram. Otherwise you got this:

Connqr > fhrblig 04/15/2016 at 06:38

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It’s really Similar to the sedan though, so that’s why I left it out.

Connqr > Dusty Ventures 04/15/2016 at 07:45

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True. You got me there.

Connqr > Eggplant 04/15/2016 at 07:46

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The headlights also appear to be shared, although I could be wrong.

Eggplant > Connqr 04/15/2016 at 11:54

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Nope. Different too. That was the first thing people tried.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > jimz 04/15/2016 at 19:37

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Bubba?

jimz > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 04/15/2016 at 19:46

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James Bottomtooth

Connqr > Eggplant 04/15/2016 at 22:16

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Really? That’s so weird.

Eggplant > Connqr 04/16/2016 at 00:47

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Fun fact: the Toyota E8 series of cars had 5 or 6 different basic front ends being produced at any given time. If you factor in localized bumpers, we’re looking at 8 or more